For context of what is going on in this clip, read this artcle on Jerry Falwell's Libertty College Debate Team and their 'Wall of Noise'
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/magazine/319debate.html?pagewanted=all
and this New Yorker piece on how the Evangelical Home Schoolers are grooming their yunguns for Leadership positionat the Highest Levels of Bidness and Gubmint: http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/06/27/050627fa_fact?currentPage=all
We start talking about Ann Coulter at about the 38 minute mark.
One the creepiest conversations I have ever had, and this is my 20th day here and this completely confirms that I made the right decision in leaving the USA.
There are way too many of these vile people in America now for me to feel safe there anymore.
I felt unclean for hours afterwards, ugh, and even a long hot soak didn't help.
This gchat with a frend gives some context to the above clip....
11:09 PM me: fucking evil bitch
11:10 PM 20 yrs old sounds like Michelle Malkin
Christopher: wait wait. what is this?
11:11 PM or, who are you talking to?
11:14 PM me: chick from Los Angeles who is studying speech calls me at 2am her time this morning
needs help with her homework
starts friendly but then she starts asking these leading questions that go right to Republican talking points
11:15 PM so we go there
and it gets heated
i lay into her
and here's the thing
she never backed down
11:16 PM she's studying logic at 2am on a Friday nite, while wer're out partying cuz O man is Prez
she had rebuttals for everything
Christopher: good ones?
11:17 PM me: no but a lot of their rhetorical technique is pure push
put your adversary in a corner
she was real good at it
never back down
she's 20
Christopher: damn.. i shall watch with interest.
11:18 PM me: she's not the only one
the reich wing is a lot more organized than the left is still
11:19 PM while u listen to that starting around the 38 min mark read this from a few yrs back http://www.nytimes.com/2006/
11:21 PM and this http://www.newyorker.com/
the right is like The Terminator or Microsoft
11:22 PM relentless
they never stop
and they keep working at shit til they get it right
she's one of thousands upon thousands of them
11:23 PM what she's doing, the way she is using language is very very aggressive
just waiting for a FAIL from me to attack me on
11:24 PM thats what they do
very creepy
on a lighter note did you see the FAIL I got on vid?
11:26 PM this is what the Red Guard refernce is about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
she's the Americkan vers of that
11:28 PM it's estimated to in addition to destroying 5,000+ years of Chinese Culure, Mao's Red Guard played a major role in the 100 million murders (not a typo,wish it was), that occured during the Cultural Revolution in China
11:29 PM Christopher: shit..
11:30 PM me: thats were all this goes
everytime ppl like her show up en masse in a culture shit like what happened in China, Russia, and Germany happens
11:31 PM when those places went south
so I'm totally creeped out by the whole talk
we had
11:32 PM and see for her it wasn't so much an argument, but her honing her attack skills
and like I said she's REAL good at it
and she's only 20
11:33 PM i felt physically ill all afternoon after this
11:34 PM Christopher: :\
11:35 PM me: doesn't matter to them that Obama is Prez
they're getting ready for the day 4 or 8 yrs from now when he isn't
they are mad fucking patient
11:36 PM and we get complacent
happened after Nixon
11:37 PM after he resigned the left took the rest of the 20th century off, thinking we had 'won'
let our guard down
big mistake
got us Busch in the end because we quit paying attention
11:39 PM Christopher: yea.. i've never believe the moderate-left to be all that smart.
or left.
me: we have no spine
and all they do is pushups and lift weights all day long
11:40 PM Christopher: but we like trees! D:
11:41 PM me: oh yh
11:42 PM you'll see my gf was in on the convo
she was appalled
here they train schoolkids to look out for ppl like this bitch
because of the whole Hitler thing
they don't want a repeat of that era
11:43 PM Americans cant see it because we haven't been taught what to look for
11:47 PM Christopher: so what do we look for?
me: it breaks down like this... most Americans aren't taught to think logically in the schools anymore, but the right goes out of its way to do that with their yunguns
11:49 PM and on top of not being taught critical thinking skills the cable TV pumps that signal 24/7, further weakening reasoning skills.
these folks who are taught to argue like this can thren run circles around those that don't
11:50 PM that 'wall of noise' described in the Falwell Debate Team article is the goal
drown out your opponent
make it impssible for them to get in a word edgewise
its all this very aggressive push
11:51 PM Christopher: that's ridiculous. logic is insane, in most cases.
me: towards carving out Leadership Positions for themselves in this culture
Logic is a weapon for these people
a powerful one
11:52 PM she started by asking me about deductive reasoning at 2 AM IN THE MORNING from whre she was
on a Friday night
what 20 yr old does that?
11:53 PM when she's 30 she'll have had 10 yrs practise at this shit
11:54 PM and again she's just the tip of a huge iceberg
the right cultivates these ppl the way pedophiles groom children
11:55 PM its just as nasty, if not more so
11:56 PM Christopher: and tough as fuck to counter.
me: yh
all it did was confirm I made the right decision at the right time
forgot i had the recorder on
11:57 PM went back and listened to the back end of it when she was lobbing shit at me left and right
man is she good
kept circling back on me
no matter what i said
Christopher: my issue with arguments like these is keeping my arguments straight in my head. i just tend to forget my own logic.
11:58 PM me: if i didnt know what she was doing she would have wore me down
thats the technique
worked on gore in 2000
12:00 AM looking for a pic of these republicans that shouted down vote counters
when that was going on
had the most contorted looks on their faces
12:02 AM got it
12:03 AM this looks like a spontaneous group of Bush supporters, it's really a bunch of high level republicans http://www.albionmonitor.com/
12:06 AM Christopher: they look kinda.. dead.
12:07 AM me: they're psycho
and the shit worked
created such a ruckus the vote counters quit
12:08 AM Christopher: damnit.
me: it was so surreal with her
didn't read her at first
12:09 AM and then when it becameclear what she was I got phsically ill while talking with her
12:10 AM Christopher: how did she get in contact with you?
me: random skype call
Christopher: weird.
me: was looking for help with the homework
12:11 AM i got intrigued so kept her on the line
and then i lost my shit with her
12:12 AM these ppl are so destructive and power mad
12:13 AM it's that sneerting tone of voice they have
sneering
you can hear how her inflections are like Malkin and Coulters
we may mock Coulter for talking like that
12:14 AM but for these people it's like blowing on a dog whistle
psyche warfare
Christopher: ai.
me: and they're fucking good at it
Sarah Palins Acceptance speech is a perfect example
12:15 AM as was that 'May I Call You, Joe?' bit at the debate
she flubbed it during the debate tho
Christopher: wait, i missed all that.
me: stepped on the line
Christopher: explicate.
12:16 AM me: she asked Biden at the debate if she could call him Joe and he said yes
what was supposed to happen was she was to get off a zinger like 'There you go again, Joe'
which she did
12:17 AM that was supposed to be the thing we all talked about the next day
but she blew the delivery of the line, bad timing
and jumbled it with another zing line
Biden got lucky
12:18 AM that night
and her Acceptance speech was all one long non stop snide sneer
totally engineered speech
was written months in advance for her
12:19 AM she wasn't an idle pick
Christopher: gah. these people are so fucking weird and fabricated and scary.
me: she'd been cultivated by them for years
12:20 AM Palin has natural ability
we dont see it because we're kinda blind to what they do
12:21 AM but she was a great pick and she came damn close to pulling it off
Christopher: i disagree there. she mangled her job.
fucked up a lot, dropped her sentences.
me: 4.1 percentage points
to you and me, yh looks fucked up
they werent going after our vote
they wanted Joe the Plumber
American Brown Shirts
12:22 AM Christopher: joe the plumber was fucking upper middle class. and not a plumber.
me: actor is more like it
Christopher: truth.
me: dude just steps on the national stage like that?
no
he was prepped
12:23 AM Christopher: mm. wasn't he interviewed outside his 'home'?
a lot of this happened while i was still so angry with politics that i didn't pay any attention.
me: i couldnt do what he did without cracking under the pressure
u get caught in the glare like that it aint easy
12:24 AM yet he held his own 4 weeks?
uh uh no way
i may have been born at nite but noit last nite
12:26 AM all i know is i'm gonna be extra nice to my gf this week
12:27 AM Christopher: mm? why? not that you shouldn't.
12:28 AM me: she gets all this shit intuitively
12:29 AM did u hear me ask that chick were she thought America would be if Palin was president right now?
12:30 AM that was abt the only thing that slowed her down
Christopher: i'm watching it later, right now i'm juggling a few things.
me: that and mocking McCain for his middle name
12:31 AM I said President HUSSEIN Obama and she took the bait
McCain's middle name is SIDNEY
a geigh girls name
12:32 AM told her so
Christopher: hahaha x3
that's not exactly debate team material.
12:33 AM me: and that if they wanted to play the middle name game like that like they did during the election she was talking to the wrong fucking person
no, but they pounded that HUSSEIN shit hard last October
Christopher: i got that.
i thought it was pretty childish, passed it over.
me: she so didnt see that one coming
12:34 AM the hussein thing worked on its intended audience
a lot of them still beat that drum
like anyone picks their own middle name
12:35 AM fucking retards
Christopher: there's probably over a million Jesus' in the world, but does that make every one of them the christian savior of the world?
me: a lot of the christians take offense at ppl named Jesus
12:37 AM American Politics at its finest
12:38 AM i gotta get off this tip
I blame ShamWow for this
12:39 AM i did a drug last November that is used to treat addicts
and in my case it lessened my interest in American politics
Christopher: hahaha.
me: and Shammy reignited this shit
bastid
12:40 AM i was doing SO well b4 he showed up
total relapse
worse than a coke or heroin habit
at least those are tangible
12:41 AM but this crap exists only in ones head
Christopher: dcraves is your flame under the spoon, mm?
me: harder to kick
12:42 AM awesome analogy
i need to get to parties here
GF has never been
and they are off the hook here
i already got her trained in FAIL
Christopher: go, man, go!
me: did u see that clip?
12:43 AM Christopher: which?
me: car FAIL
Christopher: oh, yea.
me: i take pics of small fuel efficient ones here
so ppl in America can see them
his was so nice and trick
12:44 AM and then as soon as pressed the shutter FAIL
i couldn't not shoot that
felt a lil bad
but well hard to let that pass
plus it happened like 5 minutes after that call
needed a pick me up
12:45 AM it helped
Christopher: "honey, i got a fail" x3
me: nobody' rated it
had I known he was gonna fail I'd shot vid to begin with
12:46 AM the sputter of the FAIL is missing
12:47 AM dude on sfraves is trying to give me a hard time over it
but he's been a total douche on that list for years
kind of like their Entropy
12:48 AM drove a lot of ppl off what was once a vibrant list
used to have hundreds of posts a day
went back and looked at the past year
12:49 AM had to go back a full 6 mos to find one thread that went over 20 posts
Christopher: shit.
me: Rave Killer
Christopher: oh, him?
me: how these folks like Entropy glommed on to the scene i'll never gt
12:50 AM whoa speaking of which this just came in over there http://www.guardian.co.uk/
fucking cool
12:51 AM Ravers, we're coming UP!
| 5 minutes |
12:57 AM Christopher: that's so fucking hardcore.
12:58 AM aright, man, i gotta split. going to a punk show that started an hour ago.
or, in punk layman's terms, half an hour ago.
er. spellcheck on 'layman'.
1:01 AM me: lucky you
we still havent adjusted our schedules to fit it going out
we#
1:02 AM we're both going stir crzy
cabin fever
enjoy the show
for us
While much has been said about the dangers of the homosexual agenda, I don't think a far-encompassing agenda is necessary for the destruction of the world.
One sodomite is doing more than enough on his own to destroy the world, period.
His name is "Ann" Coulter.
Coulter is also the perfect poster child on why a rendition program is still necessary. He needs to be sent to Saudi Arabia and beheaded.
Posted by: El Salvador del Norte | March 21, 2009 at 04:59 PM
This is not playing for me yet but glad you're at it!
Posted by: Slugbug | March 21, 2009 at 05:16 PM
Seen yesterday in Los Angeles:
A Scion xB, driven by some Hispanic, with a whole bunch of bumper stickers, as follows (to the best of my memory):
LIBERALS LOVE FRANCE, HATE AMERICA
GOD LOVES YOU, ALLAH WANTS TO KILL YOU
MICHAEL MOORE HATES AMERICA
LIBERALISM = SEDITION
ALL FOR CHRIST, NO FOR NOBAMA
HOMOSEXUALITY IS SIN AND PERVERSION. PERIOD.
And some white liberals still need more proof that wingnut thinking isn't the exclusive domain of whites. Hispanics (and some Asians) are FAR WORSE than whites when it comes to theocracy and right-wing thinking.
And this is actually pretty par for Los Angeles. Most people are just too discreet to actually plaster the entire back of a BMW/Hummer/Toyota/whatever with those bumper stickers, but they do believe this shit.
Posted by: El Salvador del Norte | March 21, 2009 at 07:54 PM
You can make those links active by not doing them in the "rich type" mode.
Posted by: Ken Grieser | March 21, 2009 at 09:30 PM
She was cold and calculating - truly scary - enjoyed your reaction shots and profanity - I was vicariously nodding along.
Posted by: Octobloggy | March 21, 2009 at 09:31 PM